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The two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change

Seth MacFarlane, The Family Guy

I have to come clean, admit my darkest secrets. I just can’t go on after plugging the BlogCatalog’s Blogging For Hope campaign and posting that self righteous post the other day.

I..I… well damnit I have to admit that I abuse Republicans every chance I get. My main modus operandi is to go to the Delphi Forums posing as an intellectual elite disguised as a redneck. I get them all comfy with me by using words of two syllables or less and then I say something like “The United State hegemony in the middle east is reprehensible.”

How do I get away with such disgusting behavior? How do I pull it off? Well, once upon a time, I <gasp, gasp. gasp> was one of THEM. Yes that’s right, friends and neighbors, I was a registered, dyed in the wool, redneck Republican. Bred to be born in the cradle of the Republican stronghold and spoon-fed Republican idiotology for 17 years.

I was a Republican because my Daddy told me I was one! He also told me a good wife votes exactly the way her husband votes so she doesn’t cancel out HIS vote. (!) My husband was a Republican for the exact same reason I was. <shudder>

So when I abuse Republicans I know just where to hit them the hardest. When I use those big words I know most of the Republicans I have exchanged posts with over at Delphi either don’t know how to use dictionaries or refuse to use them and throwing big words around when they thought you were just like them really gives them the willies.

Maybe they think I am cursing in French and there is nothing worse you can do to a right wing fundametalist conservative Republican than curse in French. . Unless you eat French fries in their presence when the French politicians publicly disagree with American foreign policy.

Well except for make fun of their revered leaders. You know, people like Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter who only speak the gospel truth except when they don’t. But that isn’t the really bad part, I make fun of Georgie Porgie and accuse him of playing in the puddin’ and pie although I don’t think he could kiss ONE SINGLE GIRL and make her cry. They’d all laugh until HE cried.

I often point out that Georgie pushed Humpty Dumpty off the wall for no damn good reason and he lied about it. Then all the wannabe king’s horses and all the wannabe king’s men couldn’t put Humpty back together again so even THEY retreated from the limelight so there stands Georgie with egg on his face.

And Mary Mary quite contrary can’t get her garden to grow so I’m taking even money bets that Georgie will be out on his duff when he’s done playing Pinnochio. But the good news is they’ll be able to saw off his nose and use it as a teacher’s pointer and rod for sparing no child lest they be left behind.

It’s true, I do abuse Republicans about all of these things but most of all I abuse them because they haven’t got the sense to understand they are being lied to or they do have and they tell the same damn lies, pretend they believe them and drive us all crazy juggling the truth, the lies, and the propaganda..

I’m a bad person. I don’t intend to change.

God in heaven that ain’t bless America the land of the brave and the home of the free. Ain’t free speech wonderful?

B

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People are talkin, talking bout people
I hear them whisper, you wont believe it…

Lets give them something to talk about
A little mystery to figure out
Lets give them something to talk about
How about love, love, love, love?

Bonnie Raitt

Today on The Poll Vault over at Delphi Forums we were talking about how Al Gore was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize last February. Here’s a new’s article that details why:


Al Gore Nobel nominee

The fight for the global climate is a fight for peace, say members of parliament Børge Brende and Heidi Sørensen, and they have nominated former US Vice-president Al Gore for a share of the Nobel Peace Prize.

The two green-thinking MPs suggest that Gore share the prize with Inuit Sheila Watt-Cloutier, in recognition for their efforts to put the danger posed by climate change on the global political agenda.

“This is clearly, absolutely, one of the important efforts to achieve conflict prevention. Climate change can lead to enormous flows of refugees on a scale the world has never seen before. Fighting climate change is immensely important work for global peace,” Heidi Sørensen, member of parliament for the Socialist Left Party (SV), told Aftenposten.

A guy who goes by the handle of MrAGent asked me “What has Al Gore done to promote PEACE? (Please note the word “PEACE” is highlighted).” And yes, he actually wrote the word peace in red. MrAGent is a Republican’s Republican. A sort of caricature of a conservative in my opinion. He keeps the debate on the forum interesting but one has to wonder how anyone can be THAT blind to life as it is on planet earth.

My good friend MerlinsDad had made this comment later in the thread which helped me clarify my thoughts on what I thought were Gore’s contributions to world peace:

Effectively handling the consequences of global warming will require the efforts of the whole world. I suggest that the impact of global warming on the underdeveloped countries of the world could be greater than any war in man’s history. That alone easily justifies Gore as the leader among the nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize. Global warming is about world peace.

This was my answer to MrAGent:

What do I think Al Gore has done to promote peace? I agree with the people who have nominated him. Global warming presents a very clear danger to world peace. Drought and famine are a cause for conflict for obvious reasons. Mass migrations of people in search of food and shelter are cause for conflict.

Gore has done more than any one person in the USA and perhaps in the Western world to bring this subject front and center and into every day conversation. Whether you believe what he and the experts he has consulted say is the truth or not you are talking about it. It has become part of the American experience to think about, investigate, and draw conclusions about these issues and the science behind them. We have Al Gore to thank for that.

As a community we will be able to make decisions based on our conversations with each other and the experts the majority of us choose to trust rather than something imposed on us by an authority. The decisions we make will have an impact on our relationship with the rest of the world. If we decide to be selfish and arrogant and ignore the truth we do so at our peril. We have the choice in our own hands now. That is what I think Al Gore has done to promote peace.

The thread got a little more sticky after that as threads are wont to do on forums where liberals and conservatives discuss politics. MrAGent and I are sworn mortal enemies now I think because he made a huge tactical error and I got to call him on it. I am going to have to watch my back.

Other conservatives and liberals chimed in. There were a couple of funny moments. I love forum discussions.

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Is there a better way
Is there a better way
Is there a better way ahead
Or just another day
There’s got to be a way
To make a better day
I’m gonna find away
To make a better day

Lyrics by 9

Dennis Kucinich was on the campaign trail last week in New Hampshire and spoke to families participating in a program that provides transitional housing and support to the homeless. WMUR-TV filed this report

Kucinich Speaks On Homelessness
Candidate Uses Experience As Foundation During Appearance

I come to the political system as an advocate for people, not an advocate for any special interest group. That really is what distinguishes me from anyone else in this race,” said Kucinich, a former Cleveland mayor.

Kucinich’s willingness to get back to the old-time Liberal Democratic ideals are what set him apart from the rest of the Centrist Democrats who might as well be labeled RepublicanLite.

“A president who stands for building technologies for peace, a president who stands for strength through peace, a president who sees the jobs of the future being created by supporting the space program is a president who can help strengthen the country, strengthen its economy and strengthen our (relationships) with the countries of the world,” he said.

They’re trying too hard to appeal to everyone and they’re stuck in their heads when they should be lessons from the past and going for the gut feeling issues that are going to bring people to their feet and get them out of their easy chairs and to the polls. Hillary of all people should know this Bill Clinton was a mastermind at appealing to peoples emotions and motivating them to vote for him.

Kucinich has the ability to appeal to people emotionally. He just need to be visible and get his message to the people. Money. It’s all about how much money you can raise. Contributions can be made via Kucinich’s website.

B

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Well I got a hammer,
And I got a bell,
And I got a song to sing, all over this land.
Its the hammer of justice,
Its the bell of freedom,
Its the song about love between my brothers and my sisters,
All over this land.
Its the hammer of justice,
Its the bell of freedom,
Its the song about love between my brothers and my sisters,
All over this land.

Pete Seeger and Lee Hays performed by Peter, Paul, and Mary

My Delphi Forum friend MerlinsDad (who I met at the Political Circus and now hang out with at the Poll Vault over at Delphi Forums) was feeding me large chunks of Drew Weston’s book, “The Political Brain: The Role of Emotions in Deciding the Fate of the Nation” and got me so darn interested in it that I just had to have a copy which arrived in the mail yesterday. Drew Weston is decidedly liberal and he has set out to change the way Democrats run their campaigns.

This promises to be a better than average good read. MerlinsDad says it is. He’s going to be reading along with me the second time through and we’ll discuss. I’m going to try to get him to start his own Blog so it will be a permanent record of rational discourse between two friends. Actually I’m going to try to bully him into it because I’ve tried convincing him he has plenty to say in a Blog that is worth saying and he keeps giving me this “Aw shucks, attitude.” I’m a fierce bully when I want to be. ;^)

I tried to start reading this last night around 10:30 pm and promptly fell asleep three pages in. I guess I was a little tired. The heat has been getting to me and we’ve had a respite. It’s 8:54 am and the temperature is 69* with 86% humidity. It was raining earlier but the sky is partly cloudy and we’re looking fo a high of 86*. I hope the humidity clears up as the day goes by…

Well, let us begin the discussion. I’ve read the forward and 12 pages into the first chapter. Weston is a neuroscientist who has been studying how the brain processes political and legal information as well as a clinician who trains psychologists and psychiatrists in understanding the “nuances of of meaning in what people say, do and feel.” The central thesis of the book is that the assumptions of the past from the time of Plato and Socrates and the Enlightenment have been that human beings think rationally and when presented with contradictory information the will examine all of the data and come to a reasonable conclusion.

Weston contends that this is not the case. He asserts that the politically partisan brain of the die hard Democrat or Republican will reject contradictory information about their candidates based on what he calls “gut feelings” and he set out to prove it by watching the brain at work in real time with the advanced technology we have at hand today. He and his colleagues set forth 4 hypotheses about what they expected they might find during their studies.

1) Threatening information about candidates would produce negative emotions that would activate neural circuits associated with negative emotional states

2) They expected to see activation of the part of the brain that is associated with regulating emotions .

3) They expect to see a “brain in conflict” as indicated by activations in a region that monitors and resolves conflict

4) Since they suspect that people “reason with their gut” or emotions they didn’t expect to see activation in the brain that is normally associated with reason or rational thinking.

Generally scientists don’t get everything on their wish list when they set out to do a study like this but in this case, Weston studied 15 Democrats and 15 Republicans and in every case all 4 hypotheses were verified. Humans are not the rational, reasoning creatures we have been taught they were all these years when it comes to politics. We operate on a very emotional level and this has some serious consequences on the campaign trail.

This may explain why I just can’t get into Hillary Clinton. She doesn’t turn me on emotionally. I don’t really dislike her all that much perse. I’m sort of neutral. She’s blah. There’s nothing exciting about her. Nothing that grabs me and makes me say, “YEAH, shes my candidate!”

I really want to feel much more strongly about the first viable woman candidate for President. I want to be excited that there is a woman running for President who actually might win. I mean when that Republican woman ran some years back I was excited. But Hillary is just not cutting it for me.

In truth, I’m far more excited by the prospect of Bill Clinton being the ‘First Gentleman’ in the Whitehouse than I am in Hillary sitting in the Oval office. I get a huge giggle at the thought of the ire of the Republicans imagining Bill lurking in the halls of the Whitehouse giving advice. Truth is, I want Bill back far more than I want Hillary back and that will probably be why I vote for her in the primary. More’s the pity.

If I had my druthers, I’d want Dennis Kucinich in the front runner position. Now there’s the Democrat who moves me emotionally! Listening to him give a political speech about his policies and the Democratic Party in general is like listening to an old time Evangelical Revival stump Preacher. HE MOVES ME! To tears.

B

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MerlinsDad and I began this discussion in Email and I brought it to my blog because I thought it was a good topic for my legacy to my Grandkid(s). See Ain’t I a Woman too and Kiss of the Blarney Stone for the build up to this post.

I had a big crisis of faith thing going on when I hit my teens. I had always had “inappropriate” questions, even as a child. I remember asking things and getting a very negative reaction from my Mother. My Father was much more open to discussions about whether there was or wasn’t a god. He’s also the one who told me there wasn’t a Santa Claus when I got upset because my brothers had ruined a doll and I was afraid Santa would think I didn’t appreciate my toys.

I was raised in a very fundamentalist bible banging christian church sort of like the southern baptists but so arroagant that they call themselves THE Christian church. (My friend MerlinsDad sent me this link to the History of The Christian Church extant.) Seriously. They are every bit as bad as the Catholics they preach against and condemn to Hell from the pulpit which happened to be more than a quarter of my family. Not to mention the boy I happened to be dating. That was kind of freaky but I really didn’t pay much attention until…

I was a junior in high school when Sunday school sunddenly turned into this crazy dump on the Catholics free for all. We took up the subject of Revelation and according to The Christian Church’s teachings, every bad thing mentioned in Revelation is connected to the Catholic Church. I got seriously pissed about it.

I’d already fought the battle of evolution vs science as a sophmore and in spite of my doubts, I’d refused to cave. I stood firmly with the christians and would not write one word that did not agree with biblical teachings. Were they proud of me for having the courage of my convictions? Hell no, they were not, the damn hypocrites. They told me I should have written what was required to pass the test. Even the pastor called me in and counseled me to do that.

Do you want to know who told me he was proud of me for having the courage of my convictions? My biology teacher, Mr Hefty, that’s who. He allowed me to write a paper to make up for flunking that test. He told me he believed that evolution and creationsism could be reconciled but he wasn’t my spiritual advisor so he wanted me to argue my side of the equation and how creationists countered the theory of evolution.

Fast forward about 15 years. I’m now living in Wisconsin and have explored every kind of sect and denomination of christianity within driving distance, including Mary Baker Eddy’s Christian Science not ot be confused with Ron L Hubbards Scientology. Every damn one of them have left me with a bad taste in my mouth and a headache. So I gave up trying to find a church I liked and just did my own thing.

I was going to college and was sort of a professional student. I loved the art of learning in a setting where you surrounded by so much intelligence and could choose to go as deeply into one or more subjects as you wanted. One of the things I was studying was Cultural Anthropology.

Cultural Anthropologists look at the culture they are studying as objectively as possible. Every aspect of human life is supposed to be observed and examined in minute detail to gather the facts without judgement or bias towards a thesis. That’s the ideal situation. Eventually when all of the facts have been gathered The Anthropologists can begin to make hypotheses about a culture.

One of the aspects of a culture that gets studied in minute detail is religion. All known cultures have had a belief a in a higher creative power and a creation myth of some sort. Studying the religions and anthropology fascinated me and I beban to see a pattern emerging.

I wanted to see what else the halls of higher learning could tell me objectively about religious belief so I took a Political Science course about religion. I don’t remember its name anymore but it was about how various religions impact and influence politics and a real eye opener for me about separation of church and state issues.

My favorite class of all in this religious quest were two Sociology of Religions classes that discussed various religious movements and finally we arrive at the Civil War.

I lost all of my reference books due to the ending of a relationship so I’m flying by the seat of my pants here. In the early 1800s the United States saw the beginning of a great upsurge in interest in religious movements and evangelical fervor amongst the mainstream churches as well as experimentations with new forms of religious expression and beliefs. There was a great deal of fragmentation amongst the protestants in the United States due to the fact that none of them can agree on what my friend Max reminded me are called ordinances rather than Sacraments as the Catholics call them in THE Christian Church.

There were so many preachers and Pastors out there stumping for the common man to convert to the denomination dujour that the northern New England area, particularly in the New York area became known as the “burned-over area” becasue it was believe that every man, woman, and child worth saving had heard the message of Christ’s “Good news plan for salvation.”

Traditional Christianity was the main force but it was not the only religious movemnt afoot. Of particular interest to me because it was bizaare and eventually because of my interest in re-enacting is Spiritualism.

The Fox Sisters are usually given credit for having started the Spiritualist craze here in the USA but in my opinion, they just capitalized on something that was already afoot and got their pictures in the New York newspapers first. It’s exceedingly hard to point a finger at one person and say Him or Her but Emmauel Swedenborg seems to have influenced most Spiritualists although I doubt he would have had much truck with any of them.

There were many famous Spiritualists in the USA and Abroad. The Fox sisters are considered the “first” but I don’t buy that designation at all. They were just the most popular in the beginning of the Great Spiritualist movement that began before the Cival War and reached its peak in the late 1800′s. So you see, all of this “New Age stuff, isn’t so new after all. It’s just been pulled out of the closet, dusted off and dressed up in today’s fashions. Check out Theosophy for an example of a New Age religion that was begun by Madame Blavatsky under the banner of the Spiritualist movement.

There were many famous people who consulted Spiritualists for messages and guidance from beyond just as we see today. Ronnie and Nancy Reagan caught a lot of flak for consulting astrologists during their stay in the Whitehouse. Abraham Lincoln supposedly brought a Spiritualist into his Cabinet’s “War Room” and discussed top secret battle plans with him. Those rumors have not been substantiated.

What has been substantiated is that Lincoln and Mary Todd invited several different Spiritualists to the White house after their second son died. They had soirees featuring the most famous Spiritualists of the day complete with seances and the events were duly reported in the paper. It caused a great stir of excitement amongs the more fundamentalist christian voters and is probably partially responsible for Lincoln’s approval ratings sinking so low just before his re-election. That and the fact that the war was going so horribly–rather like Iraq today.

I became an agnostic (meaning I don’t know absolutely that there is no higher power with god-like abilities such as omnipresence and omni-prescience) atheist (meaning I absolutely do not believe in any of the gods that I have been presented with so far) while I was pursuing these studies. I was an English major so I was also studying the anciet mygthology of traditional Rome, Greece and Egypt as well as The Europeans and British Isles. It became very clear to me that not only were religions manmade but so were the gods people worshipped. It was so patently obvious that gods were created in the image of the men and the cultures they lived in. I simply could not force myself to “have child-like faith” and believe what I had been raised to believe. I never had bought that story about Jonah and the whale. Stomach acid and poop. What about all that poop? I realized I had been a heretic my whole life and I gave up all pretense of being anything else.

So when I became a Civil War Re-enactress I decided to portray a middle-aged (in the mid 1800s middle-aged was about 30 years old) Irish widow with several young children to feed who took up Spiritualism as a way to earn money. She’s a sham of course but she puts on a good show.

She and her husband were Irish Tinkers or Travelors which is the Irish equivalent of European Gypsies and may very well have been descended from the same ancestral stock. They travel around Ireland to this day seeking itinerant work such as fixing pots and pans or sharpening knives in the 1800s which is why they were called tinkers and oftentimes the women told fortunes and begged with thier children to supplement their incomes.

My Persona and her husband came to America because of the Potato famines and he was hired to take the place of a wealthy New Yorker who had been conscripted into the Union Army. This was not only legal, it was encouraged because Lincon’s government needed cash more than they needed men to fight and they didn’t want to tax the people anymore than they absolutely had to so they came up with this system of allowing the wealthy to buy their way out of the draft. They could pay a poor man to take their place and they had to pay a substantial fine to the government for the privilege. And everyone was happy.

I came up with this persona because part of this is the true story of how some of my ancestors got their start in the United States. My however-many-greats Grandfather was a paid substitue for some rich New Yorker in the Civil War. He then re-enlisted so he and his wife and children could claim citizenship. After the war he re-enlisted for the the Indian Wars in the Nebraska Territories so he could have first choice at a homestead and finally they all settled down out in South Dakota.

Re-enacting is putting on a living history event in which people like me and the guy I was dating dress up in ridiculously hot clothes and pretend to be people who lived more than 145 years ago. We try to live exactly the way they would have lived without killing ourselves with food poisoning or heat stroke. That means sleeping on the ground with maybe a feather matress or a pad with cotton batting. But usually not. Generally you make do wiith some hay or straw thrown down on the ground, a couple of quilts and a rubberized tarp to keep the damp off. As the weekend goes by your bed gets shorter because your horse has to eat.

Everything you eat is cooked over a campfire in castiron or directly in the coals. The wind is always blowing in whichever direction the smoke will get in your eyes. Your dishes are tin and rusty or enamelware if your character is rich enough to be able to afford that on a camping trip. The soap is homemade and harsh. It invariably rains at least one night and floods the tent getting everything you own wet so you have to wear wet clothes the next day which will be hot and muggy.

All of this is done while other people who have paid to see this event are watching you. In effect you are an unpaid actor or actress who has to purchase hundreds of dollars worth of equipment for the privilege of being uncomfortable for 3 or 4 days at a time while people stare at you and wrinkle their noses at your body odor. Gosh it’s fun! Winter is known as “The Grumpy Season.”

Since I’m not all that into the clothes I mostly chose to wear black widow weeds except for the dances at night and then I became a widow on the make and seduced my Sergeant so he’d let me sleep in his tent or vice verse depending on where it was convenient to pitch the tent. <heh> Lots of the women got into re-enacting so they could dress up in the hoop skirts and beautiful dresses that women wore in the first half of the 1800s.

This is the Brigade or what-ever you call it I was attached to in their civillian unit. He was with the Artillery Unit. He’s the one that is dressed up in those funny clothes with the goofy “Oh boy, it’s my turn to shoot the cannon look in his eyes! ” standing in front of the wheel.

I’m having a bittersweet Kodak, Hallmark memory lane moment here. My illness has taken such a toll on my life. I absolutely loved re-enacting but I could not do it. I would get sick for days after an event as if I had food poisoning when in reality it was sun poisoning and sheer exhaustion. I would feel fine while I was there but damn the hangovers were a bitch and I wasn’t drinking the water or liquor… We drank bottled water in stainless steel canteens covered in canvas. <heh>

B

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My new friend MerlinsDad and I “met” at the Political Circus over at Delphi Forums. The place is being managed and controlled by a couple of ultra-conservative right wingnut Republicans who are keeping it up and running while their erstwhile leader is doing her best to cope with what sounds to me like terminal cancer.

Kate is also a conservative’s conservative but she knew how to manage a forum and keep her minions as well as the general population from running amuck. Since she wished to foster discussion amongst liberals and conservatives rather than simply “polly want a cracker” parrot the party line she wouldn’t allow her moderators to favor the conservatives over the liberals.

Now that she’s MIA the two chicken hawks she left in charge don’t adhere as strictly to her rules as they did when she could keep a close eye on them. They plead sso much too do so little time. I think they are full of it.

The Circus has an administrator “who wishes to remain anonymous” whose sole job is to find and post editorials in the various folders to foster discussion. Not all but many of these editorials, most of them coming from TownHall.com, are some of the worst examples of yellow journalism I have ever read. I’m sure there are plenty of examples of liberal garbage similar to this but I’ve never seen it and wouldn’t know where to look for it. If I did see it I would be just s critical.

Merlin started deconstructing these posts by pointing out how they used language to manipulate the reader which caused a great uproar from one of the moderators who told him to quit criticizing the grammar and syntax and stick to the issues. I think “William who is really Sal” is Anonymous but he swears he isn’t. He sure got offended by Merlin’s and ultimately my criticisms of these editorials.

I jumped in to Merlin’s defense after a long absence and told Sal that Merlin was correct to critique the essays in this manner and linked to a website about the Philosopher Jacques Derrida the founder of the Deconstructionist philosophy which holds that you must examine the ways in which language is being used in print media to protect yourself from manipulation.

I actually got accused of being MerlinsDad by another poster, Sal and TexasRed the other moderator. Now if they have the keys to the site, they can check this out easily enough without jumping the gun. But for a couple of days they were making unfounded accusations while Merlin and I had a grand old getting acquainted, ain’t you special love fest. And because they were making these accusations we really poured it on. It was funnier than hell.

Then I deconstructed one of the editorials paragraph by paragraph to show them what I meant . My favorite conservative poster began calling my attention to various posts asking me what I thought about that post.

At one point, it was something he knew I agreed with the general ideas about but I felt the editorial was using scare tactics to get the point across and exaggerating the problems in question. When I said so, the other forum poster got all hot and bothered and said some things that hurt my feelings a bit. He doesn’t get it and he doesn’t want to I’m really disappointed in him. I thought he was an intelligent thinker. It’s OK that he’s a conservative.

Merlin and I have both given up on the Political Circus now. We’ve taken to becoming better acquainted with each other personally and he has move on to other forums. I’ve started sewing and writing this blog. We’re both much happier and less frustrated.

I found this quote on a Starbucks coffe cup.

The way I see it:

“A very bad (and all too common) way to read a newspaper: To see whatever supports your point of view as fact and anything that contradicts your point of view as bias.”

Daniel Okrent 1st Ombudsman of the New York Times and author of Public Editor #1

Merlin and I agreed that that’s the way all the conservatives at the Circus seemed to view those editorials. Facts. They absolutely refused to consider that they were being manipulated by the way whatever facts were in those essays were presented.

What’s more their favorite form of discourse whenever a liberal tried to refute those so-called facts, particularly when ever they began to feel they were beginning to lose the debate, was to shout them down, sneer at them, or call them names. That wasn’t supposed to happen but Kate isn’t there to make sure the pet trolls don’t get away with it so it does.

My all time favorite come-back was to be told I was an intellectual elitist who looked down on the common people. Me, the kid who barely had shoes to wear to school sometimes and has to be very careful to make it to the end of the month with money in the bank these days. Me, an intellectual elitist! I laughed out loud about that one.

B

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